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GORUCK Challenge Shorts vs. Lululemon Commission Shorts

September 7, 2024 By Thad Forester


As someone who wears both brands, this article is to share which one is the most versatile. I realize Lululemon and GORUCK don’t always have the same audience. They aren’t always used for the same activities. However, there is some overlap in uses. Plus, if someone didn’t know any better, they may think: “they are both expensive, so they both must be good for what I need.” This couldn’t be further from the truth.

Disclaimer: even though this article is on the shorts, all my comments apply to the GORUCK Challenge Pants and Lululemon Commission Pants (I have them both too).

Note: I did a review on the Challenge Shorts in late 2023, which you can learn more about them in that article and video. This review doesn’t go into as many specifics on the shorts.

*You can also watch my upcoming YouTube review on these shorts soon at my channel below:

Fit and Comfort

The Challenge Shorts have a 10.5″ inseam, which is longer than the Commission Shorts, offered at both 9″ and 10″. The 10.5″ length is noticeable in both appearance and feel compared to my Commission Shorts 10″ inseam.

Water repellant? Fast Drying?

I’m always interested how well my clothing repels water and dries. The pictures below show an experiment I did where I dipped both shorts in water and got completely wet, wrung them out, then hung to dry outside. After 2 hrs 45 mins, the results were: GORUCK were completely dry. Lululemon were very close to dry, but the pockets were still damp.

Additionally, the GORUCK Challenge Shorts bead water off at first whereas the Lululemon don’t have any repelling properties–they immediately get wet. I wrote more about their ability to repel and dry quickly when I rucked 28 miles in May 2024 in the pouring rain. They performed superbly.


Rain soaked Challenge Shorts at mile 19

Stretchy?

GORUCK has what they call 4-way stretch, which allow ample movement for all activities. This is where Lululemon definitely wins. Their Commission Shorts definitely stretch more and feel better b/c they are softer. They are also thicker than the Challenge Shorts (and all GORUCK Shorts and pants). So, if stretchiness is most important to you, then go with Lululemon.

Durability vs. Comfort

One of the most significant differences between GORUCK and Lululemon clothing is the balance between durability and comfort. GORUCK prioritizes ruggedness and the ability to withstand extreme conditions, making their clothing ideal for those who engage in tough physical activities like rucking, hiking, and other training, along with the option to easily blend in “out on the town”. Lululemon, on the other hand, focuses more on comfort and style, with an emphasis on performance in less demanding environments like offices, yoga studios and gyms.

Functionality vs. Aesthetic

GORUCK’s clothing is highly functional, with features designed to enhance performance in challenging conditions. The aesthetic is understated and practical, with a focus on utility. Lululemon, while also functional, places a greater emphasis on aesthetics. Their clothing is designed to look good both during workouts and in everyday settings, appealing to those who value style as much as performance.

GORUCK Challenge Shorts on a 98 degree summer hike.

Conclusion:

I also compared the GORUCK Challenge Short to Prometheus Design Werx Raider Field Shorts in this article and video.

I enjoy comparing the Challenge Shorts, and other GORUCK clothing, to other good brands b/c I wear GORUCK clothing and use their gear almost daily–in fitness, lounging, in the office and church.

Are there any questions you’ve got about the Challenge Shorts, or any other GORUCK clothing or gear? Let me know. You can email me at: thad@patriottothecore.com

Affiliate Note:

I am a GORUCK affiliate, so I get a small percentage commission with each sale if you purchase GORUCK products from my links. This does not cost you any additional money–the prices are the same for buyers. I do this b/c I have a weird obsession with good gear and clothing. I have used GORUCK products since 2015 and have been impressed with their quality and versatility. I don’t do this to make a living, only to help support my habit of buying high-quality items from GORUCK and other American companies.

Filed Under: GORUCK Reviews, Reviews Tagged With: built to last shorts, challenge pants, challenge shorts, commission pants, commission shorts, endurance, goruck, hiking, lululemon, office pants

GORUCK Rough Runners Review – After 28 Mile Ruck and 80 Total Miles

April 22, 2024 By Thad Forester


After completing a 28 mile City Ruck and training in these shoes the past 13 months, it’s time to provide an honest review of the GORUCK Rough Runners.

Note: if you’d rather watch my YouTube Review of these shows, see below. However, this article provides some details that I forgot to add in the video.


Background

Prior to these shoes, I never considered running-type shoes for rucking. I always used high tops for the ankle support (like the MACV-1) or the Ballistic Trainers. So, this was a big change for me. I decided to give the Rough Runners a try b/c after our 28 mile Mark Forester JAG 28 Birthday Walk/Ruck in 2023, my feet were very sore. I think it was due to the wavy surfaces on the paved country roads and gravel roads.

Intro

This particular city ruck event in March 2024 consisted of 28 miles (supposed to be about 26.2, but we got a little off course and had to correct), carrying 30-35 lbs in my rucksack, and these shoes took tremendous care of my feet and ankles–no blisters or hot spots.


Why I Even Gave Them a Try:

Per GORUCK: “Rough Runners™ will last longer and perform better for all who live on their feet, from endurance ruck/running junkies to the Fight Club Class taking 20K steps a day just doing the work.” With a bold statement like this, and my history with GORUCK, I trusted they know what they’re talking about.

Details of My Rucking Surfaces

I think this is important. All of my miles so far are on paved surfaces–sidewalks, paths, roads, parking lots. But, as I said in the intro, our annual 28-mile event in Haleyville, AL consists of many miles on paved, but wavy, unlevel country roads. The flexibility and thickness of the Rough Runners is why I want to try them out on this particular surface.

Below is a good example of the roads in our annual 28-mile event. They are paved with tar and gravel, but not super level.


Comfort

Probably most important to me–specifically, I’m talking being comfortable for a long time, not just feel good when trying on and walking around the store before purchasing. These shoes need no break-in, have no stiffness, and felt great on my feet from mile 1 to mile 80. I’ve had zero rubbing on my heal, ankle bone, and no hot spots on my feet. After 28 miles in Nashville with heavy weight, I had a crack on my right heal that was a little painful for a few days after. This had nothing to do with the shoes, but more with my feet prep and slight compensation due to my weak left achilles from surgery.

After 28 mile ruck with 30 lbs. Never changed my socks or took my shoes off until the end.

Sizing

These unisex shoes are true to size, especially compared to all other GORUCK shoes. I wear an 11.5 (US) in almost every brand of shoe and shoe type, including all other 4 pair of various GORUCK shoes. If you are really in between sizes and could go up or down easily, go up. I say this mainly b/c your feet will swell after lots of miles on your feet.

Note: They do not come in wide, only D/average. They have a True Fit calculator on the site to compare to other popular shoe sizes to help you determine what size you need.

Breathability

Plenty of polyester mesh to allow breathing and water drainage.


Water Drainage

I’ve not gotten them soaking wet and continued to ruck or train in them, so I can’t speak honestly on this topic yet. But, as with all other GORUCK shoes, I have zero doubts they don’t drain easily. GORUCK prides itself on how well their shoes and clothing drain and dry. Also, as said earlier, the polyester mesh allows breathing and water drainage and they will air dry quickly.

Better for Rucking, Walking, or Running?

Yes, all of the above and more. I’m a rucker and walker, not a runner. My running consist of under 2 miles at at time, so 99% of the miles on these shoes are rucking. They are built with maximum support for moving with weight. That means, the “cushioning” won’t wear out and get more “marshmellowy” over time.

I won’t try to provide advice for runners since that’s not what I do. I’d love input from runners though–what works, what doesn’t. How they compare to other running shoes, etc.

In the picture below, I’m carrying 30 lbs in my GR1 rucksack and two 44 lb sand kettlebells.


Sole Inserts

The custom high-density insert is the same as what comes in the Ballistic Trainers. Once again, made to support heavy weight over long periods of time.


Tongue Position

I’ve always been annoyed when the tongue in shoes slides down and/or to the side. The tongue in these keeps its position and needs no adjustment. It also doesn’t rub my ankle when wearing low profile socks. Small thing, but something I notice.


Reflectivity

Highly reflective pull tab on the back heel keeps you visible on the road or trail.


Conclusion

Of course there are many options for comfortable shoes. However, there are very few options that hold up to long miles with heavy weight (rucking), with quality that matches GORUCK. If you use them, or try them based on this review, give me some feedback – was I accurate? Did I miss anything? Did they feel comfortable from the first time you put them on? You can read about them on GORUCK’s site for all the specs and heal to toe drop.


I did a follow up post to this article in May 2024 after another 28 miles walking/rucking event here.

Side note: use the GORUCK Merino Challenge Socks with these and any other shoes. They are comfortable and snug and dry fast. Or, I also like to use the Balega Hidden Comfort socks for everyday and short rucks.

Here is a related article on the best shoes for rucking from Feb 2024.

For other GORUCK gear and apparel, visit these pages:

GORUCK Men’s Training Shoes (Ballistic Trainers and Rough Runners)

Train with Sand

GORUCK Apparel

Travel Gear

Filed Under: GORUCK Reviews Tagged With: endurance, exercise, goruck, ruckin, running, walking

Ruck Nashville 26.2 Miler Review | GORUCK City Ruck: Pack Contents and Gear

March 30, 2024 By Thad Forester

After 26.2 miles at GORUCK City Ruck in Nashville 2024

On March 23, 2023 I did my first GORUCK City Ruck (formerly Star Course). This is a team or individual event and can be treated as a race or just finish within the allotted time. For the 26.2 miles, we had 11 hours to complete. We weren’t interested in running or “shuffling” just to get done quickly.

My purpose here is to share what gear I used and what I packed in my rucksack. I knew whatever I started out with, I would learn and wish I’d done things differently. So this is my original pack and then what I’d change or not take if I did it again.

A good friend and I were a team and we finished in 9 hours18 minutes. And it was all for this patch (and accomplishment, of course):

Details and rules of the City Ruck are at this link by clicking here and searching for a City Ruck in any location:

Here are the knowns for this City Ruck:

  • Date: March 23, 2024, Nashville, TN, Start time 8:00 am
  • Weather: sunny, 15 mph winds, temps 40-58 degrees
  • Surface: 98% sidewalks/paved paths, 2% grass hills and parks

Pack contents at beginning:

  • GR1 (26L)
  • 20 lb weight plate
  • Nalgene bottle
  • 3L water bladder
  • Rain jacket – GORUCK Challenge Windbreaker
  • t-shirt (as backup or for after)
  • 1 pair Ballega socks, 2 pair Darn Tough socks, both as backup
  • blister kit (Body Glide, scissors, band aids, Gold Bond, moleskin, alcohol wipes, Neosporin)
  • iPhone battery backup (x2)
  • iPhone charger cord (long and short) to connect to battery backup
  • Bulletproof Bands, formerly Ruck Wraps (for my achilles)
  • Dry Bag
  • Apples, oranges, bananas, protein bars, peanuts and cashews (extra of all these to share with teammate)
GORUCK City Ruck pack contents-26.2 miler

On my person:

  • GORUCK Tac Hat
  • GORUCK Indestructible Grid Fleece – Half zip
  • GORUCK Merino Wool Hoodie
  • GORUCK Rough Runners shoes
  • GORUCK Simple Pants-mid weight
  • GORUCK Merino Wool socks
  • SAXX Underwear
  • Sunglasses

Now, here is what I would not have brought, having known what I know now:

  • GR1 (21L). I wouldn’t need 26L since I wouldn’t bring so much. The 21L or Rucker would be perfect.
  • 20 lb weight plate
  • Nalgene bottle
  • 3L water bladder
  • Rain jacket – GORUCK Challenge Windbreaker
  • t-shirt (added this as a layer for the first leg b/c I was cold)
  • 1 pair Ballega socks, 2 pair Darn Tough socks, both as backup
  • blister kit (Body Glide, scissors, band aids, Gold Bond, moleskin, alcohol wipes, Neosporin)
  • iPhone battery backup (x2)
  • iPhone charger cord (long and short) to connect to battery backup
  • Bulletproof Bands, formerly Ruck Wraps (for my achilles)
  • Dry Bag
  • Apples, oranges, bananas, protein bars, peanuts and cashews (extra of all these to share with teammate)

On my person (exactly the same):

  • GORUCK Tac Hat
  • GORUCK Indestructible Grid Fleece – Half zip
  • GORUCK Merino Wool Hoodie
  • GORUCK Rough Runners shoes
  • GORUCK Simple Pants-mid weight
  • GORUCK Merino Wool socks
  • SAXX Underwear
  • Sunglasses

As you can see, I planned for too much stuff–food, clothing and gear. There was zero chance of rain that day. When I was ready to start, my rucksack weighed 35 lbs. Too much. So, I took out the Nalgene water bottle. My buddy said he wouldn’t eat a banana, so I took one out. I only ended up using about half of the 3L water. Remember, it was not hot. I should have drank more Gatorade though.

My experience rucking long distances prior to this is our annual Mark Forester JAG 28 Memorial Birthday Walk/Ruck, which I’ve been doing annually since 2011. It has designated rest stops with volunteers, snacks, a trailing truck and a sit-down lunch. So, I was used to taking a break for a few mins and changing my socks. For this City Ruck, I never changed my socks, never took off my shoes, and we barely took any breaks. Our only breaks were when we returned to the start/stop point to get our next waypoints (there were 3 “legs” of the event). And sitting then was only to figure out our next route via Roadrunner app.

GORUCK City Rucks are a great and unique way to see a city. I recommend doing one. I’ve already signed up for the Birmingham City Ruck in November, but I’m only doing the 12 miler.

If you’re considering one or signed up for a City Ruck, I hope this helps you decide what you pack. Weather and how the cadre split it up are the most important variables. Obviously, being prepared by ruck training (you only get good at what you do) and knowing what shoes, socks, and other gear you’ll use is important too.

If you have questions that I didn’t answer, feel free to email me at thad@patriottothecore.com

Our post-ruck meal–steak and potatoes.

Related articles:

What are the best shoes for rucking?

How to train for the Mark Forester JAG 28 Birthday Walk/Ruck

GORUCK Indestructible Grid Fleece Review

GORUCK Merino Wool Hoodie Review

GORUCK Simple Pants Review

GORUCK Challenge Windbreaker

Filed Under: Events, GORUCK Reviews, Reviews Tagged With: city ruck, endurance, goruck, rucking, star course

Ep 103 | Tips and Thoughts on the Mark Forester JAG 28 Birthday Walk/Ruck

April 10, 2023 By Thad Forester

Chris Sprayberry and Troy Bye join me to talk about the upcoming JAG 28 Birthday Walk on May 20, 2023.

Chris (@https://www.instagram.com/sprayberry_77/) has done the walk every year since we started in 2011. Troy’s (@https://www.instagram.com/ourtownpodcast/) first time was last year. After learning the hard way, he can’t wait to do it again while being more prepared.

Today we talk about how they prepare, gear they use, tricks, injuries, misperceptions, mistakes, best memories from years past, and all kinds of stuff related to my brother’s annual memorial walk.

You’ll definitely want to hear how Chris prepares each year. It’s pretty impressive.

We enjoyed the banter together as we hung out in the Our Town Podcast Studio. Please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. I want your feedback.

You can also watch us do this interview via YouTube here.

Mentioned in this episode:

How to Train for the Mark Forester JAG 28 Birthday Walk / Ruck – 12 Years of Practice

Joe Carlucci – 2023 Pizza Maker of the Year

Learn more about the JAG Birthday Walk and Register Here

Outro music by Spent Brass: Sons of War / Veteran

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